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[Padmanabhan Rajendran <rakamaka(--nospam--at)yahoo.com>]

Dennis,

You have spoken on my behalf as well as, I believe, on
behalf of many others. Please do not unsubscribe. I
(we) need unbiased, rational, opinions to continue
being voiced here.

Thanks.

Rajendran

--- Dennis Wish <dennis.wish(--nospam--at)verizon.net> wrote:

> Given the state of affairs and instability in the
> world today, I believe
> this post is simply inappropriate for a professional
> list. A simple wish of
> good tidings during the holidays is sufficient. More
> than this shows the
> world that the United States believes that our
> belief based democracy is the
> only way of life we recognize and in my opinion,
> this is the root of our
> problems.
> President Washington, while leader of the United
> States in 1789, approved
> atrocities against the original settlers of this
> land - the Native Americans
> - simply because they did not adopt the same
> religious belief that the
> Europeans brought to this country. While his words
> may have been in good
> faith, his actions would not now be considerate of
> others who have
> immigrated legally to the United States and by the
> doctrine of the
> constitution share a freedom of religion intended to
> separate church and
> state and which embraces many beliefs including
> those of non-believers. 
> I understand that this may make me a target of hate
> mongers, but if you wish
> to attack, please do so privately and I will ignore
> all by the most solid
> arguments. This post is, IMO, inappropriate and I
> would prefer it be posted
> elsewhere.
> If the consensus is to allow such posts - I will be
> pleased to unsubscribe
> from this list on principle alone. I feel that Bill
> has stepped out of line,
> radically, on many occasions and have sent him my
> opinions in private. In
> this case, he acts without consideration for even
> the minorities who are
> protected by the same doctrines of the constitution
> as the majority.
> 
> With all due respect,
> Dennis S. Wish, PE
> California Professional Engineer
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Polhemus [mailto:bill(--nospam--at)polhemus.cc] 
> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 4:26 AM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: OT: "By The President of the United States
> of America, A
> Proclamation"
> 
> By the President of the United States of America. a
> Proclamation.
> 
> Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge
> the providence of 
> Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for
> his benefits, and 
> humbly to implore his protection and favor--and
> whereas both Houses of 
> Congress have by their joint Committee requested me
> "to recommend to the 
> People of the United States a day of public
> thanksgiving and prayer to 
> be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts
> the many signal favors 
> of Almighty God especially by affording them an
> opportunity peaceably to 
> establish a form of government for their safety and
> happiness."
> 
> Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the
> 26th day of 
> November next to be devoted by the People of these
> States to the service 
> of that great and glorious Being, who is the
> beneficent Author of all 
> the good that was, that is, or that will be--That we
> may then all unite 
> in rendering unto him our sincere and humble
> thanks--for his kind care 
> and protection of the People of this Country
> previous to their becoming 
> a Nation--for the signal and manifold mercies, and
> the favorable 
> interpositions of his Providence which we
> experienced in the 
> tranquillity, union, and plenty, which we have since
> enjoyed--for the 
> peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been
> enabled to 
> establish constitutions of government for our safety
> and happiness, and 
> particularly the national One now lately
> instituted--for the civil and 
> religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the
> means we have of 
> acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in
> general for all the 
> great and various favors which he hath been pleased
> to confer upon us.
> 
> and also that we may then unite in most humbly
> offering our prayers and 
> supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations
> and beseech him to 
> pardon our national and other transgressions--to
> enable us all, whether 
> in public or private stations, to perform our
> several and relative 
> duties properly and punctually--to render our
> national government a 
> blessing to all the people, by constantly being a
> Government of wise, 
> just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and
> faithfully executed and 
> obeyed--to protect and guide all Sovereigns and
> Nations (especially such 
> as have shewn kindness onto us) and to bless them
> with good government, 
> peace, and concord--To promote the knowledge and
> practice of true 
> religion and virtue, and the encrease of science
> among them and us--and 
> generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of
> temporal prosperity 
> as he alone knows to be best.
> 
> Given under my hand at the City of New-York the
> third day of October in 
> the year of our Lord 1789.
> 
> Geo: Washington
> 
> 
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