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- From: "Gerard Madden, SE" <gmadden(--nospam--at)maddengine.com>
- Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:22:51 -0800
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Dennis, An occupancy change and significant alteration
to the exterior look of the building would trigger an upgrade at most building
departments around here (except for storefront dressings). You would have to
meet current code unless it’s historic (you said it is not). Perhaps you
could treat it as historic anyway if your local Building Official will buy it.
Then you could use 75% of the 1994 UBC base shear. SHotcrete sounds good to me. Perhaps you
can create a wall pier under the new code with the shotcrete and new
reinforcing for the walls with little concrete segments. This might be tough if
the door heights are really tall. Of course, wall anchorage and
shear bolts at the ledger to the roof is critical as you know. Perhaps you could place a moment frame at
the middle of the building to lessen the shear to the short walls at the
perimeter. Or you could make your mezzanine walls in the transverse direction
out of CMU to brace the concrete and reduce the shear. The code allows wood
shearwalls to support a 1 story structure of 10 feet or less (I believe) so if
this is a high bay, I doubt you could do that as you proposed. For the long walls that are deteriorating,
you could try some kind of new finish like Dryvit (or some better product, I
know a lot of people don’t like it or there is newer better stuff) or
maybe stucco over the concrete. I would check with some finish material
specialist on that and not just sales reps. Just some ideas ….hth -gm -----Original Message----- A local empowerment zone
redevelopment agency is leasing a 1930’s concrete wall building from a
local city. The building was a high bay fire station and since the original
construction, a second story wood frame structure has been added. The walls
were cored and while the cores were tested for compression, the reinforcement
was found to be the old square rebar used in that period of time. A firm from outside the area was
brought in by an Architectural firm representing a bank that wishes to sub-lease
the building. I was recommended by the local testing agency as a second opinion
based on my knowledge of old Unreinforced Masonry buildings. Even if there is minimum rebar, the
walls that pose the least threat are the side walls which are long and solid.
The shear transferred from the wood frame addition above is not a threat to
these walls. There ends of the building pose another problem. The front is
where two large doors were placed to allow fire trucks in and out. The rear
wall is inaccessible at the time the testing lab inspected the building, but I
would assume that the wall which the Architect shows on his plan is concrete,
but too short and possibly too weak to be used as an appropriate shearwall
– especially due to the shear from the second story wood frame addition.
This rear wall is concealed by a wood one story addition added sometime after
the building was constructed. This portion of the building will be removed by
the bank and a new structure will be built in its place. For those in California, here are my
questions: 1.
I don’t know of any Hazard
Mitigation program in California that would require retrofit of the existing
roof (floor of the second story) to the concrete walls. UCBC Appendix Chapter
One does not address reinforced concrete buildings. Is this building exempt
from retrofit rules in California? 2.
The concrete is not the best –
some good cores, others that have too much aggregate and local desert sand in
the mix. Still, the length of the walls and the minimum reinforcement would
resist lateral loads. I would plan on a steel moment frame in the front of the
building connected by welding to the steel lintel above the doors. The new
design pops the front out two or three feet which makes the frame an ideal
solution as there is enough room for the grade beam and erection pads in
proximity to the property line. The rear wall can be strengthened with Gunnite
for shear and additional foundations added or replaced as needed. What choices
do I have to reduce further deterioration of the concrete on the exterior face
of the sides (long sides) of the building? 3.
A mezzanine is to be added by the
bank. I believe this mezzanine (which will induce additional shear) can be
supported on a wood stud wall and the floor joists (TJI) supported by these
walls. The mezzanine can be used to brace the walls from buckling, The bearing
stud walls below can also be used to run utilities with minimum loss to
leasable space. Does this sound like a reasonable plan? The tough part is that the
Empowerment zone has limited funds and I have no idea how to calculate the
retrofit or upgrade portion of the project. If the mezzanine is used to brace
the walls then the cost is absorbed by the bank as an improvement and does not
come from the Empowerment Zone. This leaves me only the moment frame, a Gunnite
wall at the rear and any coating or covering of the concrete that can improve
or reduce further deterioration of the walls. The building is probably about
2000 square feet and the walls are 8-inch thick with joints at 8-feet
horizontal as the this was the height of the lifts. Another firm figured the
reconstruction to bring the building into a safe zone would be close to
$90,000.00 which seems very high to me. It is a prevailing wage project but I
would think that at the worst case scenario, we would be talking between $50K
and $60K. I could use some advice as how I
might approach this type of structure. My experience, besides wood, is URM and
Structural Clay (Unreinforced). I’ve also done some Adobe but have not worked
on this type of Concrete structure. Finally, the building is not on a state
historic registry and not protected except by the allowances of the city
Building And Safety division. Please let me know what you think. TIA Dennis S. Wish, PE PS. We have not done a Pachometer
test yet and I am waiting for options before recommending spending any more of
their money on this building. I was not involved in the original testing or
preliminary plan development – I was brought in to offer a second opinion
to another engineers report. While his report appears valid, his approach to
solving the problem is to attempt to bring the building up to compliance. My
approach would be similar to URM buildings – identifying their weakness
and designing to the failure of the weakest element but providing sufficient
secondary support to get people out of the building. After that there would be
no guarantees. |
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